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		<title>By: arbitrary user &#187; Doing my bit to punt the comunity</title>
		<link>http://www.swimgeek.com/blog/2007/02/28/highjacking-the-geekdinner-back/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>arbitrary user &#187; Doing my bit to punt the comunity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Firstly, The GeekDinner is not the 27 dinner. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jerome</title>
		<link>http://www.swimgeek.com/blog/2007/02/28/highjacking-the-geekdinner-back/comment-page-1/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(@ Max and in general):

No matter how much talent there is, it will never become a successfull industry if:

1) People don&#039;t work together
2) People accept other people
3) People become professional

Now, looking at the local situation\culture\mentality:

1) Few people here really work together - more often they rip each other off (hit and run) instead of investing in relationships that last years;

2) Xenophobia is rampant - &quot;SA is great, the rest of the world is only out there to get them&quot;. Guys, wake up: that was before 94 - since then you&#039;re not on anybody&#039;s radar anylonger. So, get over your inferiority complex and get to WORK;

3) 
a) Africa time is for losers - if you can&#039;t manage your own time, don&#039;t expect anybody else to let you manage his money, account or company - grow up, be a man, be in time;
b) You have a cellphone? Of course you do, it&#039;s your status\phallus symbol. Then use it - to inform people about appointments, delays etc. Communicate. Return calls. Mxit is fab cool, but that is not what you have a phone for when making a living;
c) Prepare yourself, present yourself, educate yourself - about your industry, country, this world you live in - it&#039;s a national hobby to whine about your country, &#039;abroad being heaven&#039;: have you been there? Realising what it takes to survive there? If not, shut up and count your blessings - you&#039;re only making a fool of yourself. And boring, sounding like a broken record.

Now, back to work. Hard. Together. And fair. There&#039;s a lot to do, but more to gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(@ Max and in general):</p>
<p>No matter how much talent there is, it will never become a successfull industry if:</p>
<p>1) People don&#8217;t work together<br />
2) People accept other people<br />
3) People become professional</p>
<p>Now, looking at the local situation\culture\mentality:</p>
<p>1) Few people here really work together &#8211; more often they rip each other off (hit and run) instead of investing in relationships that last years;</p>
<p>2) Xenophobia is rampant &#8211; &#8220;SA is great, the rest of the world is only out there to get them&#8221;. Guys, wake up: that was before 94 &#8211; since then you&#8217;re not on anybody&#8217;s radar anylonger. So, get over your inferiority complex and get to WORK;</p>
<p>3)<br />
a) Africa time is for losers &#8211; if you can&#8217;t manage your own time, don&#8217;t expect anybody else to let you manage his money, account or company &#8211; grow up, be a man, be in time;<br />
b) You have a cellphone? Of course you do, it&#8217;s your status\phallus symbol. Then use it &#8211; to inform people about appointments, delays etc. Communicate. Return calls. Mxit is fab cool, but that is not what you have a phone for when making a living;<br />
c) Prepare yourself, present yourself, educate yourself &#8211; about your industry, country, this world you live in &#8211; it&#8217;s a national hobby to whine about your country, &#8216;abroad being heaven&#8217;: have you been there? Realising what it takes to survive there? If not, shut up and count your blessings &#8211; you&#8217;re only making a fool of yourself. And boring, sounding like a broken record.</p>
<p>Now, back to work. Hard. Together. And fair. There&#8217;s a lot to do, but more to gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter/Gatherer of Genius that is.. at Hunter of Genius</title>
		<link>http://www.swimgeek.com/blog/2007/02/28/highjacking-the-geekdinner-back/comment-page-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter/Gatherer of Genius that is.. at Hunter of Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The 27dinners, as factious as they may be in these early phases are a good example of this, born of the geekdinners and BarCamps. Another of the maxims that has shown its consistency through economic history is that culture precedes commerce. There is method in the madness of playing together first. (And I&#8217;m not bloody well playing golf to get the advantages - dinner &amp; fabulous wine now THAT&#8217;s an idea) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The 27dinners, as factious as they may be in these early phases are a good example of this, born of the geekdinners and BarCamps. Another of the maxims that has shown its consistency through economic history is that culture precedes commerce. There is method in the madness of playing together first. (And I&#8217;m not bloody well playing golf to get the advantages &#8211; dinner &amp; fabulous wine now THAT&#8217;s an idea) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter/Gatherer of Genius at Hunter of Genius</title>
		<link>http://www.swimgeek.com/blog/2007/02/28/highjacking-the-geekdinner-back/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter/Gatherer of Genius at Hunter of Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The 27dinners, born of the geekdinners and BarCamps here, as factious as they may be in these early phases are a good example of this, . Another of the maxims that has shown its consistency through economic history is: culture precedes commerce. There is method in the madness of playing together first. (And I&#8217;m not bloody well playing golf to get the advantages - dinner &amp; fabulous wine now THAT&#8217;s an idea) I did a post yesterday at SARocks! on the challenges we face with start-up culture particularly in the tech sector here in South Africa. We have some visionary leaders coming to the fore, some hypertalented hardworking geeks, beauty-obsessed designers and fascinated venture capitalists.. it could be worse! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The 27dinners, born of the geekdinners and BarCamps here, as factious as they may be in these early phases are a good example of this, . Another of the maxims that has shown its consistency through economic history is: culture precedes commerce. There is method in the madness of playing together first. (And I&#8217;m not bloody well playing golf to get the advantages &#8211; dinner &amp; fabulous wine now THAT&#8217;s an idea) I did a post yesterday at SARocks! on the challenges we face with start-up culture particularly in the tech sector here in South Africa. We have some visionary leaders coming to the fore, some hypertalented hardworking geeks, beauty-obsessed designers and fascinated venture capitalists.. it could be worse! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rafiq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me in!</description>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Henk, I was thinking of a short talk on Ruby on Rails. NOT a sales pitch, just a short summary of a year&#039;s experience using it. We can arrange a dark corner for your Matlab advertorial, I&#039;m sure ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Henk, I was thinking of a short talk on Ruby on Rails. NOT a sales pitch, just a short summary of a year&#8217;s experience using it. We can arrange a dark corner for your Matlab advertorial, I&#8217;m sure <img src='http://www.swimgeek.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Henk Kleynhans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henk Kleynhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear if anyone gives a talk about that syntactically clumsy, semantically dyslexic, useless excuse for a programming language called Ruby I will be forced to do a 90-minute Matlab advertorial.

Who wants a piece of this???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear if anyone gives a talk about that syntactically clumsy, semantically dyslexic, useless excuse for a programming language called Ruby I will be forced to do a 90-minute Matlab advertorial.</p>
<p>Who wants a piece of this???</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Max

The party is picking up.. (-;

I just had a chat with Tania at Barbarellas.
Wed 28 March. Confirmed. Starting between 18:00 and 19:00. We have the whole venue for a private function. Can seat up to 100 people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Max</p>
<p>The party is picking up.. (-;</p>
<p>I just had a chat with Tania at Barbarellas.<br />
Wed 28 March. Confirmed. Starting between 18:00 and 19:00. We have the whole venue for a private function. Can seat up to 100 people.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Kaizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Kaizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..sounds like a challenge to me! Max rolls up her sleeves &amp; gets back in. &lt;strong&gt;The geekdinner is ALIVE.&lt;/strong&gt;

The whole thing with the 27 vs geekdinner thing is so wild. But things could be worse than us trying to outdo each other in creating new spaces to connect, do business and explore what a real tech start-up culture SHOULD look like. I&#039;ve been paying attention to the culture in tech hotspots around the world &amp; we need to catch up a little &gt;&gt; a LOT of business goes down through social interaction..&lt;em&gt;and I sure as hell am not going to be playing golf&lt;/em&gt;.

Lets shape our world the way we want it to be here, so we can &lt;strong&gt;live local &amp; work global&lt;/strong&gt;. We build a tight tech community and I assure you we will have massive investment flooding at us &gt;&gt; We have superb minds here: far too many doing projects waaaaay below their capacity! That&#039;s just a waste of valuable geekdom right there.

&quot;Reality is the temporary resultant of the struggle between rival gangs of programmers&quot; - Robert Anton Wilson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..sounds like a challenge to me! Max rolls up her sleeves &amp; gets back in. <strong>The geekdinner is ALIVE.</strong></p>
<p>The whole thing with the 27 vs geekdinner thing is so wild. But things could be worse than us trying to outdo each other in creating new spaces to connect, do business and explore what a real tech start-up culture SHOULD look like. I&#8217;ve been paying attention to the culture in tech hotspots around the world &amp; we need to catch up a little &gt;&gt; a LOT of business goes down through social interaction..<em>and I sure as hell am not going to be playing golf</em>.</p>
<p>Lets shape our world the way we want it to be here, so we can <strong>live local &amp; work global</strong>. We build a tight tech community and I assure you we will have massive investment flooding at us &gt;&gt; We have superb minds here: far too many doing projects waaaaay below their capacity! That&#8217;s just a waste of valuable geekdom right there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Reality is the temporary resultant of the struggle between rival gangs of programmers&#8221; &#8211; Robert Anton Wilson</p>
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		<title>By: jerith</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in!

I&#039;m not a great speaker, but I&#039;d be happy to balance Neil&#039;s Python propaganda with some Ruby.  (My second favourite language, but we can&#039;t have too many Python zealots around...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a great speaker, but I&#8217;d be happy to balance Neil&#8217;s Python propaganda with some Ruby.  (My second favourite language, but we can&#8217;t have too many Python zealots around&#8230;)</p>
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